the doom of mandos is...
just a prediction of what will happen if the noldor leave
an actual curse that dooms the noldor and can be lifted
prediction of what will occur if the valar don't intervene & promise not to
something else? please tell me
this is an invitation to share your thoughts about this because i'm deeply curious
i initially interpreted it as a prediction with no curse behind it, but i'm struck by how often characters mention the doom being visible/laying on them (melian sees it on the noldor, etc) which suggests there is more to it than that. ulmo also cautions turgon that he cannot "remove" the doom of mandos. which both suggests that he might wish to (love you ulmo you're a real one) and that the doom has some kind of power more akin to a curse.
for a while i toyed with it being kind of like "this is a battle you cannot win without our help, and we're pinky promising we're never ever gonna help you" but that doesn't really add up with ulmo's words, or the fact that the valar (notably manwë and ulmo) do help.
so i'm left with "to some degree, the doom of mandos IS a curse and a punishment."
I read it as like… it’s hard to put into words. As a prediction that is a curse? Or a curse that is a prediction? Unifying theory of the Doom. What I mean is like - the Valar are very much tied into the fabric of creation. So when they pronounce the Doom, it’s less them externally imposing Bad Vibes on the future of the Noldor, and more a cosmic pronouncement of natural consequences. There is a real judgment being placed on the Noldor, and that judgment is the harm they do to themselves. And it can also be mitigated by merciful intervention, which is what happens at long last in the War of Wrath (and to a lesser extent with Tuor and with Manwe’s eagles), so… my answer is sort of all three? And they’re sort of all the same thing, because the Valar are Like That.




